AITA for blowing up at my friend who constantly makes comments about my boobs? ,
I have big boobs. I’m currently at 52kg and there’s nothing I can do to change the size of these things unless I have surgery. I’m also extremely shy and from a very conservative family so my resentment and shame towards my bust is an ongoing issue.
My friend *Sarah is one of those unfiltered free thinkers who says whatever is on her mind. She’s also slim and her chest is very much in proportion to the rest of her body. We work together and I’m always secretly jealous of how great shirts and tops look on her whereas I feel I look very sloppy and unprofessional with oversized, ill fitting clothes.
Sarah has this way of always bringing up my boobs in conversation, starting off complimentary but often ending with an subtle insult. She knows they’re a physical feature I’m uncomfortable with but doesn’t let up. Examples of things she’ll say is how my boobs look good now but give it a few years, and they’ll be down to my knees, hahaha! Or she’ll show me comments on reddit where people are discussing chest size preferences and most are commenting how they much prefer a smaller bust over large. Or just a general reminder of how work or men will never take me seriously because of my ‘cartoon boobs’. I know she’s trying to have lighthearted fun but it gets to me and I’ve told her a few times to drop it before.
Now we’re working from home, we all have daily video calls and meetings. Uniform is not necessary and can wear what we like. A few days ago, it was extremely hot and I was wearing a lighter, more revealing top than my usual baggy coverups. During this video call, in front of 6 other colleagues, Sarah starts vocalising her thoughts on my appearance: ‘Holy shit! Put those away! You look like you’re in a porno. We don’t need to see that first thing in the morning, hahaha.’ I was mortified. One other colleague laughed along but the rest looked uncomfortable. I felt close to tears, made an excuse and left the meeting. Sarah called me up half an hour later asking me what was wrong and I went off on her. Told her to go fuck herself and was sick of her constant jabs about my appearance. I went on a 10 minute tirade and hung up. Sarah has been off sick since that day and we haven’t spoken again. I’m wondering if I was too harsh and maybe should call and apologise for my outburst? Was I TA?
Edit: I’m fuming. I just spoke with a colleague, *John, (who was part of the video call that day) and he told me that Sarah’s been telling everyone that it’s ME that’s been bullying her and making her feel insecure about her appearance. When she made those comments during the meeting, it was in retaliation to how I’ve made her feel. Apparently, I said she looks like a boy and called her flat chested and ugly several times in the past. I have NEVER and would never say this! I don’t even understand the stupid ‘boy body’ insult because a small bust has always looked very beautiful and classy in my eyes. Anyway, John knows she’s full of shit and has suggested we speak with HR. The others will also back me up. I know most people here suggested I do this and I wasn’t sure at first but fuck it, I’m reporting her. I don’t know why I ever considered her a friend, she’s fucking mental and annoying.
Edit 2: I now feel stupid for even asking the question AITA. I thought I may have been at one point because the video call was amongst mostly work mates rather than clients and I wasn’t sure if my sensitivity towards my body image made me overreact to a joke that could have been innocent (I now realise it wasn’t).
I’ve also spoken to another coworker who is closer to Sarah and she thinks Sarah may have already reported me to HR. She said the phone conversation we had after the meeting was filled with abusive bullying language and physical threats. It wasn’t a pleasant phone call but the worst thing I said was she go fuck herself and that I don’t want to speak to her again. The rest of the conversation was just rehashing all the comments she made about my body and how it made me feel. She also claimed that I have been making inappropriate jokes about her appearance and work ethic(?) through the years and this confrontation was a long time coming. She also suggested that I’ve convinced the guys in the office to take my side by being a flirt and a tease (did I mention that I’m stupidly shy?)
My head is swimming and I think I may be dealing with an actual psycho. I don’t know how it’s come to this ridiculous level of craziness. All I wanted to do was get on with my fucking work in peace and get through this crappy time but now I have to deal with this bullshit.
Update: Just to answer a few questions I’ve seen:
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I’ve contacted HR with my complaint. I have a lot of old text messages and emails with comments and memes Sarah has sent making fun of my chest size. John and other colleagues are fully supporting me as well as my manager. It will take a while for them to get back to me but I’m confident that things will be sorted and Sarah will be dealt with.
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My breasts alone aren’t 52kg (114lbs). My overall weight is 52kg. I mentioned this because my chest seems much larger on my small frame making clothes that others wear and look nice in, look completely gaudy and cheap on me. I can’t lose anymore weight to make a difference on my bust size. I won’t get surgery but I have been working on my body image issues which my shyness and upbringing did a number on. People’s comments don’t usually devastate me as they once did but Sarah obviously tried her best to break me down.
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Thank you to all for clothing suggestions. I will definitely look into tailoring some tops and have spent some time checking out Bravissimo which looks great.
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In hindsight, I should have confronted Sarah more sternly in the past but I guess I was trying to avoid conflict. Others have suggested I may have allowed her to gaslight me which may be true. I just want to move on at this point.
Update 2:
The coworker (*Lucy), who keeps in contact with Sarah and told me earlier that Sarah may have reported me to HR, has just phoned to tell me that Sarah has suffered a serious panic attack. Lucy does not want to take sides but has suggested I reconsider taking drastic action. Sarah is too unwell to talk to me herself but has asked I drop my complaint and she will drop hers, citing the whole thing as a misunderstanding and stress-induced disagreement.
I have had panic attacks before in my life and I seriously felt like I was going to die. It’s a horrible feeling and if Sarah has honestly just had one herself, I don’t want to push her too far. I still want to address her comments over the video call but I’m wondering if I should just drop the other complaints. Sarah has asked to move teams so we don’t directly work with one another but it doesn’t seem she wants to apologise yet. And just to clarify to people who assume I was wearing a bikini top or boob tube during the meeting, I wasn’t. It was a short sleeved plain tshirt which hugged my breasts more than my usual baggy tops.
I don’t like to hold grudges and I think getting her fired during a time like this may be a shitty thing to do. I feel she has already punished herself by displaying this fucked up behaviour to others and losing a lot of respect from coworkers. If we don’t ever have to interact with one another, I’m up for that. I have a suspicion that Sarah may have found this post and read it which I thought I would feel bad about but I really don’t care.
Last Update:
I’m not dropping any of the complaints. Sarah (fuck you Michelle) and I have spoken, and although it started off promising, she is mentally unhinged and without a conscience. I did not realise how deep her hatred runs. Not only did she mock all those things I had told her in confidence about the way my family treated me growing up, she accused me of fucking every guy from work to get ahead. Now I know where some of those fake office rumours about me came from. I’ve been such a naive idiot and allowed my shyness and aversion to conflict to stop me from fighting people who manipulate and walk all over me. I don’t need this misery in my life. If she’s reading this, get professional help immediately. I know you desperately fancy John and, as you said, despise the way he looks at me. I know it bothers you that he took my side and has been a great support. Maybe I will go for drinks with him when lockdown ends.
If I don’t make any new updates, just assume that the right person was reprimanded and faced the consequences of their words and actions.
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I have big boobs. I’m currently at 52kg and there’s nothing I can do to change the size of these things unless I have surgery. I’m also extremely shy and from a very conservative family so my resentment and shame towards my bust is an ongoing issue.
My friend *Sarah is one of those unfiltered free thinkers who says whatever is on her mind. She’s also slim and her chest is very much in proportion to the rest of her body. We work together and I’m always secretly jealous of how great shirts and tops look on her whereas I feel I look very sloppy and unprofessional with oversized, ill fitting clothes.
Sarah has this way of always bringing up my boobs in conversation, starting off complimentary but often ending with an subtle insult. She knows they’re a physical feature I’m uncomfortable with but doesn’t let up. Examples of things she’ll say is how my boobs look good now but give it a few years, and they’ll be down to my knees, hahaha! Or she’ll show me comments on reddit where people are discussing chest size preferences and most are commenting how they much prefer a smaller bust over large. Or just a general reminder of how work or men will never take me seriously because of my ‘cartoon boobs’. I know she’s trying to have lighthearted fun but it gets to me and I’ve told her a few times to drop it before.
Now we’re working from home, we all have daily video calls and meetings. Uniform is not necessary and can wear what we like. A few days ago, it was extremely hot and I was wearing a lighter, more revealing top than my usual baggy coverups. During this video call, in front of 6 other colleagues, Sarah starts vocalising her thoughts on my appearance: ‘Holy shit! Put those away! You look like you’re in a porno. We don’t need to see that first thing in the morning, hahaha.’ I was mortified. One other colleague laughed along but the rest looked uncomfortable. I felt close to tears, made an excuse and left the meeting. Sarah called me up half an hour later asking me what was wrong and I went off on her. Told her to go fuck herself and was sick of her constant jabs about my appearance. I went on a 10 minute tirade and hung up. Sarah has been off sick since that day and we haven’t spoken again. I’m wondering if I was too harsh and maybe should call and apologise for my outburst? Was I TA?
Edit: I’m fuming. I just spoke with a colleague, *John, (who was part of the video call that day) and he told me that Sarah’s been telling everyone that it’s ME that’s been bullying her and making her feel insecure about her appearance. When she made those comments during the meeting, it was in retaliation to how I’ve made her feel. Apparently, I said she looks like a boy and called her flat chested and ugly several times in the past. I have NEVER and would never say this! I don’t even understand the stupid ‘boy body’ insult because a small bust has always looked very beautiful and classy in my eyes. Anyway, John knows she’s full of shit and has suggested we speak with HR. The others will also back me up. I know most people here suggested I do this and I wasn’t sure at first but fuck it, I’m reporting her. I don’t know why I ever considered her a friend, she’s fucking mental and annoying.
Edit 2: I now feel stupid for even asking the question AITA. I thought I may have been at one point because the video call was amongst mostly work mates rather than clients and I wasn’t sure if my sensitivity towards my body image made me overreact to a joke that could have been innocent (I now realise it wasn’t).
I’ve also spoken to another coworker who is closer to Sarah and she thinks Sarah may have already reported me to HR. She said the phone conversation we had after the meeting was filled with abusive bullying language and physical threats. It wasn’t a pleasant phone call but the worst thing I said was she go fuck herself and that I don’t want to speak to her again. The rest of the conversation was just rehashing all the comments she made about my body and how it made me feel. She also claimed that I have been making inappropriate jokes about her appearance and work ethic(?) through the years and this confrontation was a long time coming. She also suggested that I’ve convinced the guys in the office to take my side by being a flirt and a tease (did I mention that I’m stupidly shy?)
My head is swimming and I think I may be dealing with an actual psycho. I don’t know how it’s come to this ridiculous level of craziness. All I wanted to do was get on with my fucking work in peace and get through this crappy time but now I have to deal with this bullshit.
Update: Just to answer a few questions I’ve seen:
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I’ve contacted HR with my complaint. I have a lot of old text messages and emails with comments and memes Sarah has sent making fun of my chest size. John and other colleagues are fully supporting me as well as my manager. It will take a while for them to get back to me but I’m confident that things will be sorted and Sarah will be dealt with.
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My breasts alone aren’t 52kg (114lbs). My overall weight is 52kg. I mentioned this because my chest seems much larger on my small frame making clothes that others wear and look nice in, look completely gaudy and cheap on me. I can’t lose anymore weight to make a difference on my bust size. I won’t get surgery but I have been working on my body image issues which my shyness and upbringing did a number on. People’s comments don’t usually devastate me as they once did but Sarah obviously tried her best to break me down.
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Thank you to all for clothing suggestions. I will definitely look into tailoring some tops and have spent some time checking out Bravissimo which looks great.
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In hindsight, I should have confronted Sarah more sternly in the past but I guess I was trying to avoid conflict. Others have suggested I may have allowed her to gaslight me which may be true. I just want to move on at this point.
Update 2:
The coworker (*Lucy), who keeps in contact with Sarah and told me earlier that Sarah may have reported me to HR, has just phoned to tell me that Sarah has suffered a serious panic attack. Lucy does not want to take sides but has suggested I reconsider taking drastic action. Sarah is too unwell to talk to me herself but has asked I drop my complaint and she will drop hers, citing the whole thing as a misunderstanding and stress-induced disagreement.
I have had panic attacks before in my life and I seriously felt like I was going to die. It’s a horrible feeling and if Sarah has honestly just had one herself, I don’t want to push her too far. I still want to address her comments over the video call but I’m wondering if I should just drop the other complaints. Sarah has asked to move teams so we don’t directly work with one another but it doesn’t seem she wants to apologise yet. And just to clarify to people who assume I was wearing a bikini top or boob tube during the meeting, I wasn’t. It was a short sleeved plain tshirt which hugged my breasts more than my usual baggy tops.
I don’t like to hold grudges and I think getting her fired during a time like this may be a shitty thing to do. I feel she has already punished herself by displaying this fucked up behaviour to others and losing a lot of respect from coworkers. If we don’t ever have to interact with one another, I’m up for that. I have a suspicion that Sarah may have found this post and read it which I thought I would feel bad about but I really don’t care.
Last Update:
I’m not dropping any of the complaints. Sarah (fuck you Michelle) and I have spoken, and although it started off promising, she is mentally unhinged and without a conscience. I did not realise how deep her hatred runs. Not only did she mock all those things I had told her in confidence about the way my family treated me growing up, she accused me of fucking every guy from work to get ahead. Now I know where some of those fake office rumours about me came from. I’ve been such a naive idiot and allowed my shyness and aversion to conflict to stop me from fighting people who manipulate and walk all over me. I don’t need this misery in my life. If she’s reading this, get professional help immediately. I know you desperately fancy John and, as you said, despise the way he looks at me. I know it bothers you that he took my side and has been a great support. Maybe I will go for drinks with him when lockdown ends.
If I don’t make any new updates, just assume that the right person was reprimanded and faced the consequences of their words and actions.
Absolutley NTA. On a *work call??!!* That’s workplace sexual harassment. If it ever happens again, contact HR.
Edit: I want to echo what many others below have said. You don’t need to wait to tell HR- you should feel encouraged to do it now. You have witnesses who were clearly uncomfortable with the situation as well. The choice here is yours.
NTA
As a fellow large busted lady (they are not in proportion to my body type and size) comments make me uncomfortable too. She’s probably making jabs because she’s jealous and insecure but that doesn’t excuse her behavior. You told her to stop and she didn’t and then made everyone else uncomfortable with her comments as well. She didn’t listen the first time so she deserved the 10 minute lecture.
NTA this is sexual harassment
NTA. You should go to management/hr if this ever happens again because it’s straight up sexual harassment.
Also, I don’t even know you, but I’m incredibly angry at all the people who make you feel shitty about your body. Your boobies and the rest of you are beautiful and valuable and deserve no hate whatsoever. I wish you well on your journey to self-acceptance.
NTA. I really hate to pull this card but if this was a man telling you this you wouldn’t be acting like it was okay. It’s sexual harassment regardless of her gender or sexuality. Please report her to your higherups, ESPECIALLY if she is doing this in work environments.
You have nothing to be ashamed of. She has everything.
Edit; OP YOU’RE DOING GREAT! Keep this confidence please!
NTA.
Just because you’re the same sex doesn’t mean she can’t sexually harass you.
Good God what an awful woman. It’s pretty clear she’s really jealous of you. It’s uncomfortable for you to have big boobs but Sarah clearly wants big boobs and she’s worrying about all of the male attention in a room going to you instead of her. That’s why she keeps bringing it up and trying to make you feel even worse about your body. That’s annoying enough, but for her to bring it up during a work call is extremely childish, unprofessional and downright sexual harassment. What if she were a man saying that? You’d have gone to your boss ages ago.
Good on you for sticking up for yourself and telling her to stuff it. You even did it privately instead of in front of your colleagues. There’s nothing about your actions or behaviour that you should feel bad about. Don’t worry about her being ‘sick’, she crossed the line way too many times and you were not too harsh. She just has to grow up and I hope she’s finally learned her lesson. NTA
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NTA she may be actually sick but if not- well, she upset you and, it seems, needed to be yelled at to cut that shit out. She embarrassed you in front of colleagues. This was totally unprofessional. You may not be the only one who lit into her. She just got a realization that her behaviour is not cute or fun as she had told herself it was.
NTA, she literally insulted you until you broke down. Hope she finds another place of work tbh, though you could (and imo, should) probably file at least one HR report against her.
I’ve heard some shit like this but not to this extent and with this vitriol, and even that left me insecure! (And for button up shirts, I suggest getting them taken in by a tailor to add shape)
Edit for Update 2: man Sarah sucks. Not to gatekeep mental health but it seems like she’s afraid of the consequences of her actions more than anything.
HR Manager here – I would’ve fired her over those comments and I cannot believe your colleagues have not reported her. This is sexual harassment and gross misconduct.
NTA
Friends don’t make friends feel shit on purpose.
NTA – She needs to mind her own boobs.
NTA, she is obviously very self conscious and very envious of your body which is 100% her business, but it’s not fair for her to project her feelings on to you.
NTA – if she did that in front of colleagues then I’d actually be shocked if she didn’t get a warning from HR over her inappropriate comments. You don’t have to be a man to get in trouble over those kind of comments. She’s either extremely jealous or secretly attracted to you. Either way she may be off sick as she got into trouble from HR.
INFO: Have you been clear before about how you feel about her comments?
NTA.
That’s not friendship.
That’s *harassment*.
You asked her several times to stop it. She knew your feelings on it all. She kept doing it anyway… Not friend behaviour.
But to then take it to the next level of doing that in front of all your other colleagues?! HELL NO! It doesn’t matter you’re two females. That’s not on. If it was a guy to a girl… Can you IMAGINE?!!! It’s the same. It’s not acceptable. Especially in the *workplace*. It is sexual harassment.
HR could have a field day with this. That “friend” has fucked up on a level that could get her fired. That could be why she’s off sick… Could well be on suspension for investigation into this matter. And rightly so too !! If I heard this during a work meeting I’d have complained to the manager myself (not being the victim, but I’d complain as a witness to the event).
NTA
Offtopic:
>I feel I look very sloppy and unprofessional with oversized, ill fitting clothes
Find a good tailor and get all your favorite shirts altered to a perfect fit. Its really inexpensive and it will make you feel like a million bucks!
NTA. She should know that making negative comments about a woman’s body is going to affect her. What a shit friend.
Absolutely NTA. She is no friend, you are better off without her. And she committed workplace sexual harassment in front of multiple witnesses. You should probably lodge a complain against her with HR and list the others as witnesses.
Edited for grammar.
You’re not an asshole for standing up for yourself. Maybe you could have done without the 10 minute rant and kept a little more civil, but hey, what’s done is done. The examples you gave didn’t sound lighthearted to me, they actually sound really passive aggressive and downright insulting, especially if it’s in front of other people. Frankly, she could be jealous…. just a thought. But no I don’t think you’re an asshole for standing up for yourself
NTA – not only have you spoken to her previously regarding your insecurities about your breasts but she was totally inappropriate in a work setting. It could even be heading towards sexual harassment and if you spoke to HR she have some issues regarding her employment.
Also, your friend is NOT making lighthearted comments regarding your breasts as your breasts should not be a topic of conversation. Period.
NTA. Sarah is the AH for making fun of you, especially during a work-related event.
NTA
How dare she make those remarks in a work meeting! A man would be fired for less.
She knows you don’t like it and you have asked her to stop before. I think she is probably projecting her on insecurities onto you but that in no way excuses her behaviour.
If you felt angry enough, you would have reason to report her behaviour to HR.
NTA
This honestly brings up a lot of memories……from *middle/high school*. Insecure girls would make comments like that and 9 times out of 10 it was jealousy. The fact that you’re both at work and im assuming are both adults is crazy.
Call her out in front of people though. You will never be taken seriously at work if your boobs keep being brought up and I’m sure her making comments like that in front of coworkers is no accident.
Tall to her about her bringing up your body at all and if she does again, especially in front of colleagues.
“*coworkers name* we’ve already had a talk about this remember? It’s not appropriate to comment on my body or chest and we’re at work so I find it especially inappropriate that you can’t seem to take your focus off of my chest.”
Don’t let it slide or no one will respect you, not just her.
And go to HR if she keeps it up, you’re building a reputation with your job, make sure she doesn’t get a say in what it is.
Don’t you dare back down.
I highly doubt she really had a panic attack. The timing is too convenient. And the fact that she immediately went straight to “let’s both drop our complaints…”? I call shenanigans.
But even if she really had one? What does that change?
She’s been systematically bullying you for a very long time now. Not only that, she’s laid false complaints about you with HR.
Whatever issues she’s dealing with? This isn’t going to be enough to stop them.
Once things die down, she’ll go right back to doing what she does best. And she’ll be smarter about it this time. She’ll make it harder for you to fight against her, and harder for you to prove what she’s doing.
So don’t back down.
Take your complaint as far as you need to. As far as you can.
Get it on record exactly what she’s been doing. Ask for her to be transferred far away from you, or let go.
If she faces consequences now (even if they seem harsh to you), then there’s a chance she may change for the better.
But if she gets away with it again, she’ll just keep finding new victims.
Edit: And be very wary of Lucy. I don’t think she’s on your side either.
Re your second update: please don’t drop your complaint. How convenient she had a panic attack- I mean perhaps, but seems a lot more likely she’s simply *panicking* to learn her actions have consequences. If you drop the complaint, HR won’t take you seriously again if she starts up in the future (or if down the road you encounter another HR problem).
It’s unfortunate for her and you can feel bad for her, but this is because of her actions, not yours. She kept harassing you for years even after you asked her to stop because she perceived you as weaker, and now suddenly you’ve fought back!
In this post you come across as a little naive and overly trusting (not making fun of you- it’s a sad thing that many of us get hardened and lose some of our trust over time) and your coworker sounds like she fights dirty. I don’t believe for a second she is truly having a panic attack, or that you should trust her, or let this go. It’s another one of her games.
And NTA, of course. (From a big breasted lady to another!)
NTA. You’re fine OP.
Don’t feel bad about calling her out on shitty behavior
NTA at all. Based on your comments, she was completely aware that this was a sensitive subject, and she chose to harass you publically as well as privately. She is very lucky you didn’t slam her in the meeting. She made herself look pretty bad, while you handled yourself well under the circumstances. Don’t apologize, and report to HR if it happens again.
NTA, and those aren’t friendly jabs or lighthearted jokes. She’s insecure about her boobs, compares herself to you and finds herself lacking. So she has to constantly remind herself that there are downsides to your size to feel better about herself. But instead if doing this in a sympathetic way (there are considerable downsides to bigger boobs like back pain), she decided to attack your self-esteem. Doing so in front of your co-workers makes it even worse and you should file a complaint because that might qualify for a hostile work environment. She basically called you a porn actress in front of everyone. Holy shit, don’t let that slide. She should make an earnest apology at the very least.
NTA of course
DO NOT DROP THE COMPLAINT. You know what she could’ve done to prevent her panic and upset? Not act like this! She’s upset because someone finally called her out on her gross behavior and now she needs to see consequences for it. Whether or not she realizes it, her comments have been sexual harrassment.
I’m someone with a large chest too. And if someone was making those comments constantly, I don’t think we’d be friends. It’s demeaning, and expecting you to put up with it juse because Sarah is panicking is shitty. She needs real consequences.
DO NOT DROP YOUR HR COMPLAINT, you cannot verify that’s what she will do, and you cannot know that she has had a panic attack. She lied, and now HR is gonna catch her in a lie.
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I say drop the hammer
NTA. I would’ve been on the phone complaining to HR about her for that!
Please don’t do anything to undermine yourself with HR. If Sarah decides to lash out at you again later you don’t want it on the record that you’d falsely accused her of this before and had to retract it, which is how a retraction could be interpreted! (It’s also likely that they’ll realize “hey, we received two contradictory reports, one of them is clearly a lie and a smear campaign against the other” – Sarah *could* be trying to manipulate you into accidentally fessing up as the liar to save her skin. It would be really tragic if you ended up punished in her place.)
Additionally, you should keep in mind that you aren’t doing anything to Sarah. If she loses her job due to her own actions, that’s on her. Also remember that most bullies have multiple victims. This isn’t just about your personal dynamic with Sarah!
And finally…please know that you can’t trust a liar not to lie about having a panic attack. Please don’t let your own good nature be used against you.